Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Father Wagner- will be stay or will he go?

Wagners Rücktritt noch nicht erfolgt - Kirche & Politik -

The Communications Office of the Diocese of Linz stated that it could confirm that the resignation was arranged verbally in telephone calls with the Diocesan Bishop Ludwig Schwarz and Wagner and with the Nunciature and even with the Cardinal in Rome within whose competence the matter lies. That's how Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn saw it even after the special meeting of the bishops on Monday. Only when Wagner has a decree from Rome in his hands will the resignation be formally completed which will still take some time.

The conservative Internet platform reported on Wednesday, referring to a "reliable source" that the Diocesan Bishop of Linz Schwarz had tried on that day in a telephone conversation asked Gerhard Maria Wagner to sign the resignation request. This was obviously not done by then. The communications office in Linz could neither confirm nor deny the call. Wagner was currently difficult to reach by telephone.

SSPX excommunicate themselves again for non-acceptance of Vatican II

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For non-acceptance of Vatican II- but only if they put it in writing to the Pope!

The four illegally consecrated bishops of the lefebvrist "Priest Fraternity of St. Pius X." (SSPX) are the in the words of the Cologne canon lawyer Fr Günter Assenmacher automatically excommunicated, as long as they do not recognise the Second Vatican Council. The same is true for all SSPX priests, he said on Tuesday evening in Cologne: "If they in their thinking do not want to recognise the totality of the Conciliar decisions, they are schismatic and thus subject to the licitly established excommunication."

The official statement of this excommunication can only be effected if the SSPX tell the Pope in writing of their rejection of Vatican II, Assenmacher said. Whether the Pope would respond according to church law, he knew not, and it would also be better not to depend "on the current mood". Each participant in an SSPX Mass should know "that this will be celebrated by priests who do this illicitly and in tension with the Catholic Church."

Assenmacher also criticized the SSPX that they should have responded to the willingness of the Pope more than they have done so far. The canon lawyer who directs the Church Court in the Archdiocese of Cologne, said this during a panel discussion in the Cologne Cathedral forum on "No return to before the Council - The Catholic church, the traditionalists and tinter-religious dialogue".

Give Williamson time

In a further discussion - the ZDF talk show "Johannes B. Kerner" – the spokesman of the SSPX , Matthias Gaudron said the council had harmed the church, and since the Council the church has gone downhill. The SSPX see the main problem as the Church herself. "We are for tolerance, but not for formlessness," said Gaudron.

Gaudron said Richard Williamson’s statements on the Holocaust were "stupid and foolish." The bishop had until the end of February to reconsider his position. Then he would have other consequences to consider.

On the question as to whether the SSPX had not distanced themselves enough from Williamson Gaudron replied: "The traditional church is always accused of having the attitude: If one of you are not fit, throw him out immediately. And now you accuse us of exactly the opposite that we gave him a little time and did not immediately expel him".

The comeback of Father Wagner?

KATH.NET - Katholischer Nachrichtendienst

Linz Diocesan Bishop asked Wagner to resign - Italian Vatican expect Rodari: Vatican undecided on how to now proceed with Gerhard Wagner - Church expert: Wagner may take back his resignation at any time!

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Did Gerhard Wagner resign voluntarily? According to information from the "Tagespost" the Bishop of Linz, Ludwig Schwarz, due to a variety of criticism and threats to the appointed Bishop a question asked for his resignation on Friday. Wagner himself wrote that he had taken this decision "in prayer and after consultation with the diocesan bishop". The "Tagespost" also reported that for the Viennese Nunciature the events on Sunday evening was a complete surprise. Up to the present the resignation of Wagner has not been accepted by the Holy Father.

The Italian Vatican Expert, Paolo Rodari reported on Tuesday that the Vatican is currently undecided on what to do and that matters are still on hold. Rodari writes for this opinion: "There are those on the one hand, who hold it is impossible that before the bishop's appointment the Congregation did not know of Wagner's statements in the past. And that's why there are some who think that, after Wagner for was judged selectable as a bishop, no step backward can be taken and that , on the contrary, in no way should his request to resign be accepted.

But there are some who say that given that a rather critical attitude towards Wagner remains not only in the media but also in the leadership of the Austrian episcopacy, therefore, to avoid tension within the united episcopacy, the express wish of the (nominated auxilliary) Bishop must be accepted ....

In the Roman Curia there are those who believe that the withdrawal of Wagner should not be accepted to give a strong signal directly to the leadership of the Austrian episcopacy. A signal so that they can understand who is in charge here. A signal that has reached both the ears of the new Nuncio, Archbishop Peter Zurbriggen, as well as of Schönborn, a wearer of the purple who believes himself more Ratzingerish than Ratzinger.

One prominent church expert, who said particularly that he did not wish to be named, pointed out on Tuesday to that according to Can. 189 § 2 of the CIC, ecclesiastical authority which appoints to an office may not accept a withdrawal that is not based on a reasonable and just cause. He pointed out that the Vatican here may also consider the Canon 188 could, in which it is explicitly cited that a resignation under grave fear is invalid. The resignation submitted by Wagner can be, as long as it is not accepted, at any time revoked.

Pope starts process which will end in excommunication for the obdurate

Pope Rebukes Pelosi, Tells Her Catholic Legislators Obligated to Protect Life

Sadly (what am I saying, fortunately also!), Mr Blair is no longer a legislator.

Bishop Williamson could be ejected from the SSPX

KATH.NET - Katholischer Nachrichtendienst

He has until the end of February, according to Father Gaudron of the SSPX on German TV last night.

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Father Wagner has not yet signed the letter asking for the nomination to be withdrawn

....and no statement yet from the Vatican on Father Wagner. Canon law does not allow for withdrawal from ecclesiastical appointment under duress.

More soon from High Noon in the Diocese of Linz. A leading church liberal has called for a "cessation of hostilities". They think they have won- but bullies can never be permitted to win- this applies to the playground and applies to the Church.

Upper Austria has a sad and odious track record- Hitler was a bully in international politics who was allowed to get away with it for far too long.

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