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Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Hans Küng demands the Pope be deposed for schism if he reconciles the SSPX

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On the alternative fringe as well as at the official Catholic Church Conference in Mannheim, there was a generally prevailing resentment and frustration over the delay in reforms within the Church. In sharp contrast, Pope Benedict XVI prepares apparently for Pentecost the final reconciliation with the Catholic Church of the traditionalist SSPX, their bishops and priests before anyone. This will happen if the SSPX, who continue to reject the key texts of the Council, are integrated in the church with canonical artifice. Before the Pope does this, he should be warned in due form not least by the bishops.  

Because:
Firstly
The Pope would also be definitely included within the Church invalidly ordained bishops and priests. According to the Apostolic Constitution of Pope Paul VI "Pontificalis Romani recognitio" of 18 July (Cathcon- he gets the month wrong- should be June) 1968 the consecration of bishops and ordination of priests by Archbishop Lefebvre are not only illicit but also invalid (Cathcon- see text where Pope Paul introduces new forms of words for consecration and ordination and declares these forms necessary for validity) . This view is that of, among others, a relevant member of the "reconciliation commission", Karl Joseph Becker SJ, now cardinal.

(Cathcon- it is unlikely that Cardinal Becker as a Consultor to the CDF would take such a unsubtle view that the pre-conciliar form was invalid- although famously the Jesuit founder St Ignatius said, “We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides”. The modern Church has recognised the Liturgy of Adai and Mari which does not possess the words of consecration, so I am sure that her liturgical generosity will include traditional Rite consecrations. A severe case here of believing what you want to believe as surely HK would welcome the Liturgy of Adai and Mari.)

Second

With such a disgraceful decision by Pope Benedict in his generally lamented detachment be even more removed from God's people. He should be according to the classical theory of schism be given a warning. Accordingly, a split in the church occurs, not only if you separate yourself from the Pope but also if you separate yourself from the whole body of the Church. 

"So the Pope can become schismatic, if he does keep the whole body of the Church in the unity and solidarity which she is owed." (Francisco Suarez, Spanish Jesuit theologian of the decisive 16-17th century).

Thirdly
A schismatic pope under the same canon law teaching loses office. At least, he cannot expect obedience. Pope Benedict would therefore encourage everywhere the growing movement of "disobedience" against a hierarchy that is disobedient to the gospel.

For the serious rift and strife, which he had introduced into the church, he would have sole responsibility. Rather than make peace with the ultra-conservative, anti-democratic and anti-Semitic SSPX, the Pope had better take care of the reform-minded majority of Catholics and to the reconciliation of the churches of the Reformation and of the whole ecumenical movement. So he would unite not split.

 Prof. Hans Küng is a Catholic theologian, and President of the Global Ethic Foundation which he founded. A critic of the church, his Church teaching license was revoked in 1979.

 His version of the last fifty years- he has an egotism and determination to set the Church in his own image that makes Martin Luther into a well-balanced normal kind of guy.

Rather, he has entered theological Never- Never-Land.








Tuesday, April 03, 2012

Cardinal see only problems with the SSPX

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Cardinal Karl Josef Becker sees big problems for an agreement between the Vatican and the traditionalist SSPX "to combine both positions, that's difficult," the Jesuit said in an interview with the Cologne diocesan church newspaper on Sunday. He has worked as a consultant to the CDF during the negotiations between the SSPX. Pope Benedict XVI in mid-March asked the SSPX to clarify by April 15 their position and to avoid a breach with Rome.

"We do not remove anything from Catholicism - but the others I must also try to understand, "said Becker He referred to a statement of the founder of the SSPX, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre that Pius XII (1939-1958).." all the teaching and discipline in the Catholic Church laid down "and" there is nothing more to change or renew". If a Lefebvrist believes this, then the conversation between the Vatican and SSPX does not make sense. Someone behaving differently was faced with the dilemma: "How do I relate to the founder of my Fraternity? " In this, he can see the big problem for the Society, said Becker. The Jesuit came from Cologne and was for many years professor at the Gregorian University in Rome, being made Cardinal in February.

Becker continued that the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965 ) was even after 50 years still not properly understood. "For it is a council of such a novelty that in the end, even the bishops were not quite clear," said the Cardinal. The previous councils had spoken to Catholics, the Second Vatican to Christians and all people, regardless of whether they believe or not believe, or to what religion they belong. "What this means in the assessment of conciliar statements means seems so far to have not been carefully considered," said Becker. To discover the core of the council, these texts must be read taking account of opinions of theologians. Today, however, few people access the documents in their original Latin.""I can only warn others not to judge the texts from the perspective of certain wishes, "said Becker. As far as the interpretation is concerned, the era in which the documents were written and the intentions of the Council Fathers should be taken into account.

Cathcon- incredible then that Vatican II is being used as a doctrinal touchstone, as Cardinal Becker admits the Council Fathers did not know who they were addressing.  And if they did not know who they were addressing, it renders the messages of the Council at least a little suspect.