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Friday, April 12, 2013

Three sources now claim Pope supporting same sex civil unions

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On this score, I was told by three sources in Argentina that the Times basically got it right: Bergoglio did, in fact, favor civil unions.

That was confirmed on background by two senior officials of the bishops' conference in Argentina, both of whom worked with Bergoglio and took part in the behind-the-scenes discussions as the conference tried to shape its position.

"Bergoglio supported civil unions," one of those officials told me.

Mariano de Vedia, a veteran journalist for La Nación, has covered church/state issues in Argentina for years and said he could confirm Bergoglio's position had been correctly described in the Times account.

Guillermo Villarreal, a Catholic journalist in Argentina, said it was well known at the time that Bergoglio's moderate position was opposed by Archbishop Héctor Rubén Aguer of La Plata, the leader of the hawks. The difference was not over whether to oppose gay marriage, but how ferociously to do so and whether there was room for a compromise on civil unions.

Villareal described the standoff over gay marriage as the only vote Bergoglio ever lost during his six years as president of the conference. Behind the scenes, sources say Bergoglio tried to avoid fireworks on the gay marriage issue. One young Catholic told me, for instance, he had wanted to organize a public recitation of the rosary on the eve of the vote outside the legislature, knowing that supporters of gay marriage would also be there and the prayer would be a provocation. He wrote to Bergoglio seeking advice, he said, and Bergoglio called him directly, suggesting they pray at home instead.

Oesterheld suggested Bergoglio went along with the harder line espoused by the majority of the bishops' conference even if it wasn't his own instinct.

"At that time, there were different views within the bishops' conference on how open the church should be [to compromise solutions]," Oesterheld said. "The Cardinal went along with what the majority wanted. He didn't impose his own views. He never publicly expressed his own feelings on the matter, because he didn't want to seem to be undercutting the common position of the bishops."


Full article which covers many  issues related to the Pope's record in Argentina.

Austrian bishops stick with heretical translation of "pro multis" as "for all"

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In celebration of the Eucharist, the translation of "pro multis" with "for all" will continue to be mandatory following the current edition of the Missal.

For the translation of the term "pro multis" in the Eucharistic Prayer during the Eucharistic celebration the German for "for all" will continue to be used. This clarification has been made ​​by the Austrian Bishops' Conference and now published by them in the Official Journal. The Bishops' Conference notes that this is the only acceptable translation for the purposes of the current Missal in the German language area.

The reason for the clarification was a letter from Pope Benedict XVI of 14 April 2012, in which the Pope had communicated to the bishops in the German speaking world the decision that "for the new translation of the Missal," the word "pro multis" must be translated into German with " for many".

The Conference of Bishops makes explicitly clear in its "clarifying statement" that this decision of Benedict XVI only applies "for the new translation of the Missal" applies and maintains that the appropriate ecclesiastical procedures "are not yet complete." Therefore, the authentic edition of the Missal stemming from the year 1975 was still binding.

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Cathcon- collegiality in action.....

Have done some research on all the ancient liturgies, just to show how heterodox the translation is. No wonder churches are empty when at all Novus Ordo Masses, those with ears to hear have been heard all are saved.  The belief is related to Cardinal de Lubac's erroneous theology of grace which says that all will eventually be made perfect by God's grace elaborated in his book, Surnaturel of 1948.

New SSPX Superior for Germany

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Father Firmin Udressy, currently Prior in Munich, will be Superior of the German district of the SSPX

He succeeds Father Franz Schmidberger, who has been appointed Regens of the seminary of the Sacred Heart in Zaitzkofen.

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Three Cardinals open to same sex civil partnerships

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A leading cardinal has said that same-sex relationships should be respected and recognised in law amid signs of a change in church thinking on the subject.

Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, made the remarks in a lecture at the National Gallery evening titled "Christianity: Alien Presence or Foundation of the West?" on Monday. "There can be same-sex partnerships and they need respect, and even civil law protection. Yes, but please keep it away from the notion of marriage. Because the definition of marriage is the stable union between a man and a woman open to life," Cardinal Schönborn said. "We should be clear about terms and respect the needs of people living in a partnership together. They deserve respect," he added. Two other cardinals, Colombian Ruben Salazar and Theodore McCarrick have recently suggested the Church should not oppose same-sex civil unions.

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Cathcon- more soon.   The Cardinal has given this talk at least three times, although as far as I can see without the above until now.  Blessings of gay couples have been going on in his Cathedral for years.

Pope Francis allegedly was in favour of a softer line until outvoted by the Bishop's Conference.   The source for this was someone working within the Bishops' Conference at the time.  Subsequently, there were strong denials.

Cardinal McCarrick subsequently clarified his comments.


Cardinal Ruben Salazar joined the debate generated by the decision that  Congress should legislate soon on  marriage between same-sex couples.

"There can be no true marriage but between a man and a woman, and this can only be the basis for a real family,"said Salazar, President of the Episcopal Co nference, who said that it is not a personal position but from the vision of the universal Church, reflected also in the Constitution.

Salazar also said that it is not an ideological position, and it is the vocation of the Church to  defend the heart of society, which he said is the family. "The other unions have a right to exist, no one can ask them not to exist, but they should not be equated with the family, not trying to assume the role of the family within the state,which is where it starts to subvert the social order, "said also Archbishop of Bogota, who cautioned that these statements are not looking to attack the country's gay community, much less violate their rights.

The most senior prelate of Catholicism in Colombia recalled that homosexual couples already enjoy a set of rights, protected by the Colombian justice system, but he considers it unacceptable that seek access to the marriage. "They have every right in the world to live together, to legalize their union, if they want to do all types of economic arrangements. But I see no reason that they want even more , as if they have the right to be truly a family when they are not "emphasized the prelate.

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