Monday, June 18, 2012

Cardinal thinks SSPX reconciliation will take time

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Cologne's Cardinal Joachim Meisner: Although there is speculation a lot of speculation in the media, obviously the talks between the Holy See and the SSPX are not complete.

The Cologne Cardinal Joachim Meisner can conceive of the SSPX in pastoral care in the long term, after a reconciliation has occured. The talks between the Holy See and the SSPX are not yet completed, Meisner said on Monday to the web platform, "". Therefore, he would ask for understanding that he will consider co-operation in the ministry only after successful reintegration . This presupposes that the people responsible bear witness to "the faith in accordance with the teachings of the Church and the Successor of Peter ."

But even if this should succeed, before working together again, a building of confidence is required. Meisner cited the 40-year division of the German government, which also required first of all a long period of reconciliation. "Trust and familiarity grow slowly - and the wounds of a long debate will take time to heal. . If we succeed in everything, I can conceive - as with religious orders- of a good working relationship "

Until then, there is still a long way to go according to the Cardinal.

Cardinal Meisner's response in full:

Dear Mr. Weber

Although there is speculation a lot of speculation in the media, obviously the talks between the Holy See and the SSPX are not complete.. Therefore, I ask for understanding that I - following my experience in life - do not want to take the second step before the first, ie only think about the possibility of cooperation with the SSPX, when a reconciliation actually happens, ie that those in charge testify to the faith in accordance with the teaching of the Church and the Successor of Peter . But even if this should succeed, before working together again, a building of confidence is required. We have in the past in Germany more than twenty years experience after reunification of how long it will take for people to come back together after a long separation. Trust and intimacy grow slowly - and the wounds of a long debate will take time to heal. If we succeed in everything, I can conceive of a good working relationship - as with religious. But however the talks go with the SSPX: There is still a long way to go. Let us pray for all who strive for the unity of the Church - especially for the unity with other Christian communities and churches.

General Chapter of SSPX in July will be decisive for Catholic traditionalists


Towards the end of endless exchanges between Benedict XVI and the traditionalists?
For the Vatican, at least, the phase of negotiations between Rome and those responsible for the Society of St. Pius X for the reintegration of traditionalists in the Catholic Church is completed. The Vatican spokesman confirmed onThursday, June 14,that the Lefebvrists had received on Wednesday, the Pope's response to recent comments made by the SSPX on the "doctrinal preamble", which sets the terms of such return after 24 years schism.

The details of this response, by which it will be possible to judge the magnitude of the concessions made​by both parties will not be known until the SSPX Superior General, Bishop Fellay in turn responds ... It should do so "within a reasonable time", said Thursday, the Vatican spokesman, for whom "he ball is in the camp" of the Lefebvrists.The answer might occur after the General Chapter of the Society, scheduled July 11 to 13.

“We hoped that through this additional moment of reflection, we can achieve full communion between the SSPX and the Apostolic See, "says unambiguously the Vatican statement.

But Lefebvrist side, the process does not seem to be at an end: "the desire for further clarification could lead to a new phase of discussions, " they say in a statement Thursday, asserting that "they wanted continue the dialogue that will lead to a solution for the good of the Church and souls".

The doctrinal preamble was submitted in September to the successor of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Observations and new formulations have been made over the months to make the text acceptable to both parties, in conflict about their acceptance of Vatican II especially on matters relating to ecumenism and religious freedom.

"The Church, the only way of salvation"
Clearly, if they accept the Papal offer, traditionalists would continue to criticize those points, without drawing the ire of Rome and remember that "the Church is more than the Council and a different understanding of the Council is not decisive for the future of the Church", as was reaffirmed on June 8 by Msgr Fellay. The latter persists also is suggesting that "it is the attitude of the official Church has changed, it is not us ". "We are not non-Catholics just because we criticise the meetings [interfaith] of Assisi , " a traditionalist member of the faithful based in Paris, convinced that dialogue with other religions leads "to indifferentism, even though the Catholic Church is the only way to salvation."

The Vatican also confirmed June 14 that the Lefebvrists will obtain a personal prelature, based on the statutes governing Opus Dei, giving them broad autonomy from the bishopfor the management of their forces and their places of worship. They will need the agreement of the local bishop in cases where they want to open new locations, yet the coverage of the country, particularly in France where they are most present, is already largely assured.

A schism within the schism?
Pope Benedict XVI has made ​​the resolution of this conflict a priority of his pontificate, at the risk of upsetting the part of the Church, who are less inclined to accept the schismatics, and the despisers of the council and of the "heretics " who implemented it. Bishop Fellay, meanwhile showing himself more and more to be in favour of an agreement, caused dispute within the SSPX.  The three other bishops ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre continue to be reticent about this agreement. One of them, the French Bishop Tissier de Mallerais told the weekly Rivarol early June: " if we were reinstated, we would cease to be the thorn in the side of the conciliar Church ".

A schism within the schism is possible even if the future of the bishops and the faithful who rejectedthe agreement seems problematic."They would join the few troops of the sedevacantists that exist, but would lose the houses, chapels, schools that belong to the fraternity, "said one expert on the traditionalist world. Aware of the divisions within the SSPX, the Vatican has already said it would consider "individually "the situation and the fate of each of the bishops, including that of the Holocaust denier Bishop Richard Williamson.

Video of Koran being read during church service on TV


Click on > to start. Koran reading is at 17.20. It is preceded by a section in which two miners are introduced- one Muslim and one Christian. For the full background- see earlier Cathcon report.

Cardinal Commissioners report to the Pope in the "Vatileaks" affair- excommunications possible

Kardinal-Kommissare erstatten in der "Vatileaks"-Affäre Papst Bericht - Den Hintergründen auf der Spur | Nachrichten -

The background to the investigation
What was unusual was not the meeting itself. But the fact that the Vatican officially announced the meeting of Benedict XVI. with his three Cardinal Commissioners in the"Vatileaks" case. It shows how especially important for the Vatican are the backgrounds and motives of the affairs.

For weeks, the Vatican investigates the "Vatileaks" affair
On Saturday afternoon, the Pope received the Spaniard Julian Cardinal Herranz, the Slovak Jozef Cardinal Tomko and the southern Italian, Salvatore Cardinal De Giorgi in audience, says the Bulletin of the Press Office. The retired dignitaries are charged by the head of the church with investigating the betrayal of confidentiality.

Parallel to the investigation of the Vatican Police, they are allowed to invite prelates, bishops and cardinals to meetings. The Vatican provided information neither on the content of the papal audience nor on the previous findings of eminent special commission. But the report of the tripartite group - after several conversations between the Pope and Cardinal Herranz -which have not been reported- suggests a turning point.

The three cardinals like the police are to investigate how the documents could disappear from the desk of the pope or his private secretary, Monsignor Georg Gänswein. They are trying to clarify the circumstances, potential backers and accomplices of the one person arrested so far, the papal chamberlain Paolo Gabriele. And they seek to establish the motives for the deliberate betrayal of trust.

That Gabrielle has exploited his position of trust and taken the papers from the offices of his employer, is only doubted by creative conspiracy theorists. But after the preliminary investigation of the Vatican prosecutor, Nicola Piccardi and the first interrogation by Judge Piero Antonio Bonnet so far nothing tangible has become known: Nothing that would confirm or refute the theories of well-meaning individual perpetrators, of a circle of conspirators, of the struggle for power in the curia or of foreign-controlled conspiracy. There are only several inconsistencies: Why has a family man devoted to the Church puts his whole life at stake. And why did he not previously destroy or hide the "evidence"?.

Investigating the background
The background and motives for the Vatileaks affair are important to the Vatican. The question is what exactly has triggered such anger and resentment. Was it, as some speculated, the moving of Vice-Governor Carlo Maria Vigano, who wanted to clean up the Vatican state administration, which has motivated the revelations? And against whom is the attack? Does someone want to harm Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Papal Secretary Gänswein or both? Perhaps even the Pope himself? Or is it the institution of the Church that should be damaged and discredited?

After several days of rest, the interviewing of Gabrielle will be continued in the coming week. Meanwhile Bonnet has seen the material, and the defence team of the butler will familiarize themselves further with the case. And in addition to the offence of theft, it will soon be a natter of the disciplinary and ecclesiastical side of the offence.

The "General Regulation of the Roman Curia" of 1999 refers to in Article 76, the "violation of the pontifical secrecy" as grounds for dismissal. Administrative secrecy was "to be rigorously observed" (Article 36), files or messages should not be given to any unauthorized person, and this applies particularly to the "Pontifical secret". This injury is indicated in the oath of office, which must be taken by the members of the Curia, as a "grave sin".
Cathcon- in severe cases carrying the sentence of excommunication