Saturday, August 28, 2010

The stern unbending face of modernistic liberalism


How to live in a parallel world- a useful guidebook for Cardinal Danneels


The Least of These

De Standaard editorial today takes the headline, the Least of These, from Matthew 25

[31] And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

[41] Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. [42] For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. [43] I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. [44] Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? [45] Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

[46] And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

Cardinal Danneels was not interested for one second in the enormity of the crime but for the necessity of cover-up or containment.

Cardinal denies cover-up even after leaking of the tapes

De Standaard Online - 'Kardinaal heeft écht nooit geprobeerd om zaak in doofpot te stoppen'

Even after the leaking of the tapes, Cardinal Danneels case denies he wanted to cover-up the Vangheluwe case. That he let us know yesterday through his spokesman, Toon Osaer. "The cardinal has never really tried to cover up the case."
At his press conference on April 24, the cardinal said that he "had mostly listened" to the victim. It now appears that he had suggested a couple of "solutions" ?

"You say that from the tape it is shown that he provided strong incentives to wait for the bishop's retirement for the story to come out to the bishop in order that there be no public scandal. The cardinal admits that he actually suggested this as a solution, but that was only in his role as mediator. "

"The family had asked him to mediate, and this he has done. It is to say, afterwards Archbishop Leonard showed that the family had expected, but that did not know Cardinal Danneels. He has tried to reach consensus which everyone felt comfortable with. He did not think the victim in the first place wanted the resignation of the bishop. "

The cardinal has also suggested "questions of forgiveness and reciprocity" as a solution for thirteen years abuse.

"Yes, but that is simply the pastoral approach to matters. You must not look for mischief behind this. "

Why did not the cardinal say earlier that in the conversation of April 8 he had done more than just listening?

"It is true that the cardinal at his press conference on April 24 did not say that he had suggested solutions, but he did not know that he was violating confidentiality during the interview. Besides, the interview with the family there was no consensus to say the least. "

"There are many more things than what you said quote, though. There was even a fight. The cardinal thought there would come a new conversation. But the victim has chosen a different path. "

Why has the Cardinal recommended no other solution than the two he suggested? To approach the Adriaenssens Committee, for example?

"He thought he still was not allowed to under the confidentiality of the talks and to ask for things to be settled internally. The cardinal never really pressed the victim not to go Adriaenssens commission or the courts. The essence is: the Cardinal has tried to mediate and now he is himself a victim. "

Did the Cardinal not know in the first place what to do to save the bishop and the Church a scandal?

"I cannot see into his head. He has in any event not told me that . Perhaps that unconsciously has played a role. "

The Double Standard of Cardinal Danneels

On matters of faith, the local bishop knows better than the Pope himself.

"Accusations are made directly to Rome about theologians from persons who are not theologians. Some of these accusations are anonymous. The local bishop should be the one to relate to theologians to determine orthodoxy. "

But when he as the Head of the Belgium Church had to deal with an utterly immoral bishop, it was more than his job was worth to intervene and said it was the Pope's responsibility.

Did Danneels keep the Vatican in the dark about the Bishop of Bruges?

The Danneels Tapes- Part I

Obamicon of Danneels posted by Cathcon earlier this year. 

"The Dutch-language daily De Standaard reported on Friday that two former priests had personally informed Cardinal Danneels, 77, about Bishop Vangheluwe's abuse several times between the mid-1990s and early 2000s.
European Pressphoto Agency
Cardinal Godfried Danneels
In a news conference Saturday, Cardinal Danneels rejected the allegations. "With the best will in the world I cannot remember such a discussion," he said. "I'd be surprised that I wouldn't have paid attention, or forgotten about such a statement."
Cardinal Danneels said he had been told about the abuse case a few weeks ago by Bishop Vangheluwe, and agreed to mediate a conversation between the bishop and the victim, at the request of the victim's family.
"He had no plans of keeping it a secret, but was waiting until after a second meeting between the two parties to speak out," said Hans Geybel, an assistant to Cardinal Danneels. Of the accusations of ignoring reports of abuse, he said: "We checked archives and I interviewed all the cardinals secretaries, and there was no record of his having been informed.""

What actually took place!

Godfried Danneels (GD)
Victim (S)
Roger Vangheluwe (RV)

The victim enters the room. There is some buzz back and forth. (...)

RV: It is suggested that S first speaks a moment with the Cardinal.

S: I thought it would be the other cardinal?

RV: We have only one cardinal, right?

S: But yes, we thought it was going to be the archbishop.

RH: But you still will put questions to the Cardinal? (...)

Roger Vangheluwe goes outside.

GD: S, sit down. Take your time

S: So I lost my entire youth to abuse by my uncle Roger. Sexually and still mentally and I think I should do something and that I have a duty to report that to a higher authority.

GD: What would you really want? I know the story, he has already told me. You should not tell me it all again, but what would you really want me to do?

S: I give the responsibility to you, I cannot decide, I have this burden on my shoulders and I want to rid myself of this burden and to give that burden to you. That is my intention.

GD: Yes ...

S: And you do what you think should be done, because I do not know how the whole system works, so ...

GD: Do you want it to be published, anyway?

S: Euuhm ... I leave it to you.

GD: Actually, Monsignor will resign next year, wouldn't it actually be better that you wait?.

S: No, no, no.

GD: What you are going to do, you leave open to speculation, eh.

S: That may be, it is your responsibility to resolve that speculation ...

GD: But that we cannot resolve ...

S: But I cannot solve the situation, I'd rather put it in your hands.

D: Well, I would suggest that we might be better to wait for a date next year when he would usually resign.

S: No, I do not agree, and him taking glory in saying goodbye, no I cannot. The cover-up technique that you have used for so many years as you have, I'll have to learn to live with, but eh ...

GD: But I have no authority over Monsignor Vangheluwe.

S: And who does?

GD: Actually, no one except the Pope.

S:  I asked to speak to his employer, and I did not specified who that should be. I have also mentioned the Pope.

GD: Now I have nothing more to say, I have resigned.

S: Ah yes, what am I doing here then really, we would be better to arrange an appointment with the Pope, surely?

GD: Or the new archbishop.

S: I do not know, you say that the Pope was his boss, so we have to go there and not to the archbishop.

GD: We have no authority over other bishops, we are just .... our own boss.

S: Then perhaps you can go through and that you can arrange an appointment with the Pope and then we'll go there. It is already 42 years that I suffer and I want no more, I cannot stop, I cannot, and I do not wish to leave everything as it is.

It has a very big impact in the family in everything in my relationship with my wife in everything, I'm tired of that life and that the matter remains so dominant, and I would agree to that. I have arrived at the age that I want my freedom for life.

GD: Actually, the first responsibility lies with he, himself rather than with his superiors.

S: But if he does not want to do what has to be done ...

GD: What do you ask of him? that he would resign?

S: But he must decide, I just want to inform, that's it. If you wish me to say something that I cannot say I cannot, I do not know how to proceed, or should I look for another way for me to obtain closure?

And today I had demanded that he confess openly speaking to the family, saying that he did those things. While everyone is there.

GD: He will do that.

S: I had expected for today that we can do better in direct contact and we'll see, if nothing happens, then I go to the Pope.

GD: The Pope is not so easy to get though to ...

S: But you can still make a decision, this is still important enough to inform someone higher up, or you would  let matters rest, that's probably the intention.

GD: I have nothing to do with it.

S: I wonder what you doing here, I asked to speak to his superior and that is apparently not so.

GD: I can also give advice.

S: If I do something wrong on my work, I go to my boss. I thought about this in the same way.

GD: It is actually he who is responsible for the case that really is not good.

S: What do you think?

GD: I don’t want to say ...

S: That he should not and cannot function and that he can not keep silence, I guess that would be the most normal reaction. How can you still go through life so hypocritically?

GD: You should ask him that.

S: But I ask your advice

GD: Oh yes ... You can also forgive

questions, huh, and you plead guilty.

S: Who should I ask forgiveness? I have to ask for forgiveness?

GD: He can do that, it's true.

S: And so take the cover off.

GD: I do not know if it would benefit either you or him to give a dramatic deadline.

S: I still think that the victim's privacy should be respected, there should not be no names used.

GD: But yes, you put him in a quandary.

S: I have all my life been in a difficult position, I'm not planning to have pity, I want that fight to finish, it is enough  for me, that I finally once again have a clean slate for myself that I do what I want to do.

I was in a Catholic school and I was brought up Catholic. I'm very upset with that institute, I also read the newspapers, so I think I have an obligation to do so. How can I get my children to believe in something with such a background that will not move on, then you just move straight into the next generation. And everything remains as it is, and that is not the intention of the church.

GD: No, it's not the intention to discredit someone?

S: You give me another solution- I should forgive and it is resolved.

GD: No, no, no.

S: And he goes on as normal.

GD: You could also say he will resign next year anyway, and that for example, he says, look, I no longer go on television and such. With things left like that, and you come to a year.

S: No, I want it placed in your hands and then you decide.

GD: You can grab us and blackmail, hey, and say look, you have to do something.

S: What?

GD: You can blackmail and say, look if you do not say anything ...

S: Why should I want to blackmail? I'm not going to blackmail.

GD: Well, if you for example say they do nothing, and you bring it to public notice ...

S: Then let me once more give you all a chance to address the church and to do what I myself am unable decide and be ready enough to give a clear answer.

Therefore I prefer to go to the institute, which still must have someone who regulates such things. There are things from the first that are not true, I think there's someone there to link to, who receives a complaint and who does something.

We were forced to be married by him, for everything, the children were baptized by him, how can I explain to them? I now have my oldest son who asked yesterday: Look, what happened to me? They do not yet know what happened.  That is still true, that cannot continue, and waiting for everything to return to the same situation- that's still no solution?

GD: Ah! We can also, as I said, ask forgiveness and give forgiveness, which is also a possibility.

S: That's not possible for me, I do not believe anymore, as you do in these things, no, it is not possible.

GD: That much has happened in history, and not in the church, and also later. It is and remains very bad, it does not change, but uh, yeah, you see, if you sincerely ask forgiveness, then we all share the burden, that's a possibility, eh

S: That would obviously be the easiest for you, huh.

GD: Oh, I do not know if that is so easy. It is not so easy to ask forgiveness in public so, it's not so simple, eh

S: I think it not too difficult.

GD: It is not that simple.

S: I should do something with respect to my family.

GD: Do you want us to dismiss him, for example.

S: Ah yes, of course

GD: That's not so easy, huh.

S: I do not know, of course I want that. That's logical. If I cause an accident, drunk, I will also be punished.

GD: A punishment sentences. You have penalties that are public and private penalties, that's a big difference huh. Your name gets out, pulled through the mud ...

S: My name?

GD: His name.

S: He has ensured that my whole life is pulled through the mud. From 5 to 18 years old. Can you imagine?

GD: Yes, I can imagine that that is very difficult... Indeed.

S: You cannot imagine, I'm sure.

GD: So forgiveness is not enough? If you agree, they can say what they want. If you say, I do forgive ...

S: I think that's not enough.

GD: But it would be nevertheless a humiliating thing to do

S: For me it was also humiliating.

GD: I'm not saying that is not true.

S: I have wanted to go through it all. For him the only honest and the easiest way to die with an easy conscience would be to give up his responsibilities. It will be much easier for him. And before you actually go through the mud and everything you need to undergo, and then you come to terms with yourself.

GD: That is quite a strong thing to ask. It is quite strong to say: you must be publically humiliated in front of everybody

S: You need it in any case. He should just cease activity.

GD: Ah yes, that's the proper humiliation that he must resign, hey.

S: Yes yes.

GD: Then people say: why should he resign? So, they're going to find out. you know, why he resignedp, they're going to find out. Which is quite a burden ...

S: But why are you so sorry for him and not me?

GD: I can tell you that.

S: You always try to defend him, I thought I was going to have some support, I must defend myself here from things I cannot do anything about.

GD: No, I'm not saying you can do anything about it but something should be done differently.

S: But what should be done?

GD: Questions of gorgiveness anyway.

S: And that is enough for you

GD: When you say ...

S: Why should I? He had been able to do that much earlier but it was not found necessary. When I was 18, my father told him. We are now 25 years on and he has never asked forgiveness, why could he not do that much earlier, then it might never have come this far.

No, I will not accept that he just disappears from the scene in heavenly glory and that  the matter is finished. He has his responsibility that he has taken all this and I wish that you now take your responsibility as the superior. That is my intention.

GD: Yes, I cannot injure because I did not do it.

S: Ah yes it is, we should not continue to speak. Then we'd better stop. I must not talk to you because you really cannot do anything.

GD: No, not directly, actually. No no, you're asking from me the maximum possible...

End call

A second interview to follow. Done in great haste.

Danneels Tapes

There was on my part never any semblance of an attempt to cover up the case or throw over the cloak of secrecy. (...) The purpose of the meeting was that I would primarily listen (...).'

The transcripts published today give a totally different impression. The Cardinal lives in two parallel worlds.

The Danneels Cover-Up - there are tapes

Danneels wilde seksueel misbruik Vangheluwe geheim houden -

Danneels wanted sexual abuse by Vangheluwe kept secret

Cardinal Godfried Danneels attempted to cover up the sexual abuse of Bishop Roger Vangheluwe . This is evident from his conversation with the victim Vangheluwe.

The newspapers are considering today the transcription of two soundtracks that the victim made of his conversation with Danneels and Vangheluwe. It appears that Danneels wanted to keep secret the scandal until the bishop retired one year later . This however, the cardinal has always denied.

The victim himself, a nephew of the bishop has come out with the recordings because he says he is the victim of a smear campaign by the Church. It us a fact that Roger Vangheluwe has given money to his nephew over the years. The victim has never been questioned, but always has asked for the resignation of Vangheluwe.


The Cardinal now regrets that talks with the victim made public. According to his spokesman Toon Osaer it was a discreet and confidential conversation. "It was also the first visit and there was a prospect that a sequel was coming. It is important to to underline this briefly," he states