Monday, August 30, 2010
Sunday, August 29, 2010
Her client went to the Adrianessens Committee a few days after his interview with the Cardinal and one suspects the police a few days after that. The Cardinal can hardly be surprised at their reaction in the circumstances.
Saturday, August 28, 2010
 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.  And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.  Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.  Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?  And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?  Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?  And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.  For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.  I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.  Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee?  Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
Cardinal Danneels was not interested for one second in the enormity of the crime but for the necessity of cover-up or containment.
Even after the leaking of the tapes, Cardinal Danneels case denies he wanted to cover-up the Vangheluwe case. That he let us know yesterday through his spokesman, Toon Osaer. "The cardinal has never really tried to cover up the case."
At his press conference on April 24, the cardinal said that he "had mostly listened" to the victim. It now appears that he had suggested a couple of "solutions" ?
"You say that from the tape it is shown that he provided strong incentives to wait for the bishop's retirement for the story to come out to the bishop in order that there be no public scandal. The cardinal admits that he actually suggested this as a solution, but that was only in his role as mediator. "
"The family had asked him to mediate, and this he has done. It is to say, afterwards Archbishop Leonard showed that the family had expected, but that did not know Cardinal Danneels. He has tried to reach consensus which everyone felt comfortable with. He did not think the victim in the first place wanted the resignation of the bishop. "
The cardinal has also suggested "questions of forgiveness and reciprocity" as a solution for thirteen years abuse.
"Yes, but that is simply the pastoral approach to matters. You must not look for mischief behind this. "
Why did not the cardinal say earlier that in the conversation of April 8 he had done more than just listening?
"It is true that the cardinal at his press conference on April 24 did not say that he had suggested solutions, but he did not know that he was violating confidentiality during the interview. Besides, the interview with the family there was no consensus to say the least. "
"There are many more things than what you said quote, though. There was even a fight. The cardinal thought there would come a new conversation. But the victim has chosen a different path. "
Why has the Cardinal recommended no other solution than the two he suggested? To approach the Adriaenssens Committee, for example?
"He thought he still was not allowed to under the confidentiality of the talks and to ask for things to be settled internally. The cardinal never really pressed the victim not to go Adriaenssens commission or the courts. The essence is: the Cardinal has tried to mediate and now he is himself a victim. "
Did the Cardinal not know in the first place what to do to save the bishop and the Church a scandal?
"I cannot see into his head. He has in any event not told me that . Perhaps that unconsciously has played a role. "
"Accusations are made directly to Rome about theologians from persons who are not theologians. Some of these accusations are anonymous. The local bishop should be the one to relate to theologians to determine orthodoxy. "
But when he as the Head of the Belgium Church had to deal with an utterly immoral bishop, it was more than his job was worth to intervene and said it was the Pope's responsibility.
Did Danneels keep the Vatican in the dark about the Bishop of Bruges?
What actually took place!
INTERVIEW PART 1
Godfried Danneels (GD)
Roger Vangheluwe (RV)
The victim enters the room. There is some buzz back and forth. (...)
RV: It is suggested that S first speaks a moment with the Cardinal.
S: I thought it would be the other cardinal?
RV: We have only one cardinal, right?
S: But yes, we thought it was going to be the archbishop.
RH: But you still will put questions to the Cardinal? (...)
Roger Vangheluwe goes outside.
GD: S, sit down. Take your time
S: So I lost my entire youth to abuse by my uncle Roger. Sexually and still mentally and I think I should do something and that I have a duty to report that to a higher authority.
GD: What would you really want? I know the story, he has already told me. You should not tell me it all again, but what would you really want me to do?
S: I give the responsibility to you, I cannot decide, I have this burden on my shoulders and I want to rid myself of this burden and to give that burden to you. That is my intention.
GD: Yes ...
S: And you do what you think should be done, because I do not know how the whole system works, so ...
GD: Do you want it to be published, anyway?
S: Euuhm ... I leave it to you.
GD: Actually, Monsignor will resign next year, wouldn't it actually be better that you wait?.
S: No, no, no.
GD: What you are going to do, you leave open to speculation, eh.
S: That may be, it is your responsibility to resolve that speculation ...
GD: But that we cannot resolve ...
S: But I cannot solve the situation, I'd rather put it in your hands.
D: Well, I would suggest that we might be better to wait for a date next year when he would usually resign.
S: No, I do not agree, and him taking glory in saying goodbye, no I cannot. The cover-up technique that you have used for so many years as you have, I'll have to learn to live with, but eh ...
GD: But I have no authority over Monsignor Vangheluwe.
S: And who does?
GD: Actually, no one except the Pope.
S: I asked to speak to his employer, and I did not specified who that should be. I have also mentioned the Pope.
GD: Now I have nothing more to say, I have resigned.
S: Ah yes, what am I doing here then really, we would be better to arrange an appointment with the Pope, surely?
GD: Or the new archbishop.
S: I do not know, you say that the Pope was his boss, so we have to go there and not to the archbishop.
GD: We have no authority over other bishops, we are just .... our own boss.
S: Then perhaps you can go through and that you can arrange an appointment with the Pope and then we'll go there. It is already 42 years that I suffer and I want no more, I cannot stop, I cannot, and I do not wish to leave everything as it is.
It has a very big impact in the family in everything in my relationship with my wife in everything, I'm tired of that life and that the matter remains so dominant, and I would agree to that. I have arrived at the age that I want my freedom for life.
GD: Actually, the first responsibility lies with he, himself rather than with his superiors.
S: But if he does not want to do what has to be done ...
GD: What do you ask of him? that he would resign?
S: But he must decide, I just want to inform, that's it. If you wish me to say something that I cannot say I cannot, I do not know how to proceed, or should I look for another way for me to obtain closure?
And today I had demanded that he confess openly speaking to the family, saying that he did those things. While everyone is there.
GD: He will do that.
S: I had expected for today that we can do better in direct contact and we'll see, if nothing happens, then I go to the Pope.
GD: The Pope is not so easy to get though to ...
S: But you can still make a decision, this is still important enough to inform someone higher up, or you would let matters rest, that's probably the intention.
GD: I have nothing to do with it.
S: I wonder what you doing here, I asked to speak to his superior and that is apparently not so.
GD: I can also give advice.
S: If I do something wrong on my work, I go to my boss. I thought about this in the same way.
GD: It is actually he who is responsible for the case that really is not good.
S: What do you think?
GD: I don’t want to say ...
S: That he should not and cannot function and that he can not keep silence, I guess that would be the most normal reaction. How can you still go through life so hypocritically?
GD: You should ask him that.
S: But I ask your advice
GD: Oh yes ... You can also forgive
questions, huh, and you plead guilty.
S: Who should I ask forgiveness? I have to ask for forgiveness?
GD: He can do that, it's true.
S: And so take the cover off.
GD: I do not know if it would benefit either you or him to give a dramatic deadline.
S: I still think that the victim's privacy should be respected, there should not be no names used.
GD: But yes, you put him in a quandary.
S: I have all my life been in a difficult position, I'm not planning to have pity, I want that fight to finish, it is enough for me, that I finally once again have a clean slate for myself that I do what I want to do.
I was in a Catholic school and I was brought up Catholic. I'm very upset with that institute, I also read the newspapers, so I think I have an obligation to do so. How can I get my children to believe in something with such a background that will not move on, then you just move straight into the next generation. And everything remains as it is, and that is not the intention of the church.
GD: No, it's not the intention to discredit someone?
S: You give me another solution- I should forgive and it is resolved.
GD: No, no, no.
S: And he goes on as normal.
GD: You could also say he will resign next year anyway, and that for example, he says, look, I no longer go on television and such. With things left like that, and you come to a year.
S: No, I want it placed in your hands and then you decide.
GD: You can grab us and blackmail, hey, and say look, you have to do something.
GD: You can blackmail and say, look if you do not say anything ...
S: Why should I want to blackmail? I'm not going to blackmail.
GD: Well, if you for example say they do nothing, and you bring it to public notice ...
S: Then let me once more give you all a chance to address the church and to do what I myself am unable decide and be ready enough to give a clear answer.
Therefore I prefer to go to the institute, which still must have someone who regulates such things. There are things from the first that are not true, I think there's someone there to link to, who receives a complaint and who does something.
We were forced to be married by him, for everything, the children were baptized by him, how can I explain to them? I now have my oldest son who asked yesterday: Look, what happened to me? They do not yet know what happened. That is still true, that cannot continue, and waiting for everything to return to the same situation- that's still no solution?
GD: Ah! We can also, as I said, ask forgiveness and give forgiveness, which is also a possibility.
S: That's not possible for me, I do not believe anymore, as you do in these things, no, it is not possible.
GD: That much has happened in history, and not in the church, and also later. It is and remains very bad, it does not change, but uh, yeah, you see, if you sincerely ask forgiveness, then we all share the burden, that's a possibility, eh
S: That would obviously be the easiest for you, huh.
GD: Oh, I do not know if that is so easy. It is not so easy to ask forgiveness in public so, it's not so simple, eh
S: I think it not too difficult.
GD: It is not that simple.
S: I should do something with respect to my family.
GD: Do you want us to dismiss him, for example.
S: Ah yes, of course
GD: That's not so easy, huh.
S: I do not know, of course I want that. That's logical. If I cause an accident, drunk, I will also be punished.
GD: A punishment sentences. You have penalties that are public and private penalties, that's a big difference huh. Your name gets out, pulled through the mud ...
S: My name?
GD: His name.
S: He has ensured that my whole life is pulled through the mud. From 5 to 18 years old. Can you imagine?
GD: Yes, I can imagine that that is very difficult... Indeed.
S: You cannot imagine, I'm sure.
GD: So forgiveness is not enough? If you agree, they can say what they want. If you say, I do forgive ...
S: I think that's not enough.
GD: But it would be nevertheless a humiliating thing to do
S: For me it was also humiliating.
GD: I'm not saying that is not true.
S: I have wanted to go through it all. For him the only honest and the easiest way to die with an easy conscience would be to give up his responsibilities. It will be much easier for him. And before you actually go through the mud and everything you need to undergo, and then you come to terms with yourself.
GD: That is quite a strong thing to ask. It is quite strong to say: you must be publically humiliated in front of everybody
S: You need it in any case. He should just cease activity.
GD: Ah yes, that's the proper humiliation that he must resign, hey.
S: Yes yes.
GD: Then people say: why should he resign? So, they're going to find out. you know, why he resignedp, they're going to find out. Which is quite a burden ...
S: But why are you so sorry for him and not me?
GD: I can tell you that.
S: You always try to defend him, I thought I was going to have some support, I must defend myself here from things I cannot do anything about.
GD: No, I'm not saying you can do anything about it but something should be done differently.
S: But what should be done?
GD: Questions of gorgiveness anyway.
S: And that is enough for you
GD: When you say ...
S: Why should I? He had been able to do that much earlier but it was not found necessary. When I was 18, my father told him. We are now 25 years on and he has never asked forgiveness, why could he not do that much earlier, then it might never have come this far.
No, I will not accept that he just disappears from the scene in heavenly glory and that the matter is finished. He has his responsibility that he has taken all this and I wish that you now take your responsibility as the superior. That is my intention.
GD: Yes, I cannot injure because I did not do it.
S: Ah yes it is, we should not continue to speak. Then we'd better stop. I must not talk to you because you really cannot do anything.
GD: No, not directly, actually. No no, you're asking from me the maximum possible...
A second interview to follow. Done in great haste.
The transcripts published today give a totally different impression. The Cardinal lives in two parallel worlds.
Danneels wanted sexual abuse by Vangheluwe kept secret
Cardinal Godfried Danneels attempted to cover up the sexual abuse of Bishop Roger Vangheluwe . This is evident from his conversation with the victim Vangheluwe.
The newspapers are considering today the transcription of two soundtracks that the victim made of his conversation with Danneels and Vangheluwe. It appears that Danneels wanted to keep secret the scandal until the bishop retired one year later . This however, the cardinal has always denied.
The victim himself, a nephew of the bishop has come out with the recordings because he says he is the victim of a smear campaign by the Church. It us a fact that Roger Vangheluwe has given money to his nephew over the years. The victim has never been questioned, but always has asked for the resignation of Vangheluwe.
The Cardinal now regrets that talks with the victim made public. According to his spokesman Toon Osaer it was a discreet and confidential conversation. "It was also the first visit and there was a prospect that a sequel was coming. It is important to to underline this briefly," he states
Friday, August 27, 2010
Since 2006, the church of Saint-Etienne du Terraillon, Bron, welcomes on its premises Muslims who use part of premises for worship.
Cohabitation is unusual, but for those involved this is working very well. Father Yves Bernini church of Saint-Etienne Bron in Terraillon rents rooms behind the church building which Muslims use to pray.
Until 2006, Muslims around the leased premises and not confined to safety standards. The solution came to fruition with these rooms formerly dedicated to catechism. The pastor of the church has embraced his new tenants and he now enjoys friendly relations with Muslim leaders. At Christmas, the believers of both religions never fail to invite each other.
The situation will not drag on for long: an application for planning permission for a new mosque on the road to Genas, Bron, should be made this autumn.
Thursday, August 26, 2010
Wednesday, August 25, 2010
More soon as the Deetman Commission announce their findings. One thing Wim Deetman is clear about- he does not want « any Belgium situations »
Tuesday, August 24, 2010
Monday, August 23, 2010
Friday, August 20, 2010
Thursday, August 19, 2010
Tuesday, August 17, 2010
A picture from an earlier event.
He seems to have been something of a politician!
God bless the King! (I mean our faith's defender!)
God bless! (No harm in blessing) the Pretender.
But who Pretender is, and who is King,
God bless us all! That's quite another thing!
Christians awake salute the happy morn- his most famous literary creation
Last Friday, the Belgian justice authorities refused to comment on the content of a ruling about the legality of the searches following the meeting of the Court of Indictment the previous Friday.
The Brussels Public Prosecutor-General will explain the ruling on Thursday that the Brussels Chamber of Indictment (AI) gave last Friday on Operation Chalice. This is confirmed by the outgoing Justice Minister Stefaan De Clerck (CD & V). The investigating magistrate in Brussels on June 24 searched the cathedral in Malines, the archbishop's palace and the offices of the Adriaenssens Commission (which was set up after the pedophilia scandals) looking for secret files of the Church. The Prosecutor-General had questions about the legality of the investigation and put a series of questions to the AI. The AI took a decision last Friday, but the prosecutor refused to say anything about the content. This will happen now on Thursday.
Saturday, August 14, 2010
Friday, August 13, 2010
Lawyer for victims outraged
Walter Van Steenbrugge, the lawyer for the victims, is angry because the victims are not informed about the contents of the case (the investigation of the investigation whose results still remain secret). He starts immediately an emergency procedure before the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) so that the victims can assert their right to be informed.
According to Van Steenbrugge testifies the prosecutor's decision not to communicate is an "unprecedented arrogance".
The Chamber of Indictments in Brussels will make its decision this Friday on the searches conducted by Operation Chalice. Was the inquiry about the top of the Catholic Church conducted in a legal and fair manner? Peter Adriaenssens thinks a better relationship must be established between the justice authorities and the Church.
Invited this Friday morning to First Morning, Peter Adriaenssens gave an update on the commission responsible for examining records of abuse within the Church. For the President who resigned from the commission, it is clear that we must now "build a better relationship between the justice authorities and the Church".
A relationship which was undermined, according to Peter Adriaenssens following searches conducted last June in the Church. Shocked, the child psychiatrist believes that this "is a totally unique case: all the work of an organization which took care of victims was seized.
For him, whatever the conclusion of the justice authorities in this case, "this will inevitably work against victims of abuse. The president resigned from the commission due. "Of the 500 cases we had, one third of the victims wanted the case transferred to the justices while others argued for discretion. If the justice authorities got to see all the files, it is unfair to some people. "
Decisions on records that should not be sent to the justice authorities
But often it was the fact that the Committee alone was responsible for the direction of the records raises questions. What files should be forwarded to the justice authorities, which files remained under the responsibility of the Church? Again, Peter Adriaenssens is reassuring: "According to our own internal ethics, all records of victims under 28 years were reported to the justice authorities".The Committee therefore did not retain the prescribed records of victims who have been "on average 60 years old. "Not to give the choice to those who are silent for more than 30 years to decide whether or not to go to the justice authorities is a lack of respect. That's not easy to talk about, "explains child psychiatrist. The Committee has, in his view, no attempt to prevent the victims going to the justice authorities, "by contrast, once the interviews had been conducted, some victims were more willing to meet with a judge than at the beginning. "
The committee wanted to talk about the responsibilities of the Church
To give the justice authorities facts that that were not required, demanded challenge. Peter Adriaenssens defends himself: "In trying to punish everyone, justice is not correct. For the prescribed records, the justice authorities has no technical means to help the victims. It is impossible to condemn the priest abusers. He continued, "The committee had a complementary role. It judged the attitude of the Church, she wanted to talk about the responsibilities on what went wrong in the Church according to the rights of victims.
Cardinal Danneels knew, but what did he do?
The commission would specifically have welcomed indications about matters relating to Cardinal Danneels. Mentioned in numerous files, the Cardinal has been consulted by many people who warned him of sexual abuse within the Church. Of these, sixteen had been called to testify at the commission. This was to have taken place three days after the seizure of records by the justice authorities. "This testimony therefore produced no results. Now, the investigating judge should continue that. This is the only way to know if Cardinal Danneels was well aware. And above all, know what he actually took action about, "said Peter Adriaenssens. There is now no doubt that the cardinal "knew" and had "told people: 'I'll pray for you'. But maybe he did other things on the side, discreetly. We must know!"
Now, everybody has resigned from the commission. A commission that is not likely to see the light of day again. In any case, not in the same form. However, Peter Adriaenssens believes that we must at all costs clarify the relationship between the justice authorities and the Church. "We need a clearer door for victims to approach. And to choose a different word from 'commission'. " Abuse Recognition Centre” or”Truth Committee”'would have been more appropriate.
Tuesday, August 10, 2010
Monday, August 09, 2010
"The Archbishop, like so many others, takes Mrs Thatcher’s words out of context. The full quote is first used in a speech to the Conservative Party Conference on 9th October 1987.
They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations.
S he later echoed the sentiments in an interview for Woman’s Own on 31st October for which I think there are two different versions- unc lear which was published. “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and (Version 1) there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation and it is, I think, one of the tragedies in which many of the benefits we give, which were meant to reassure people that if they were sick or ill there was a safety net and there was help, that many of the benefits which were meant to help people who were unfortunate … But it went too far. If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society. (Version 2) There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate…. I would add that a society which depends on validation by the state is not a true society at all. The language of Mr Cameron is all too reminiscent of the little remembered attempt by Lyndon Johnson to imitate FDR’s quasi-totalitarian New Deal, the Great Society. "
Charities Parliament were not charitable enough to publish this contribution to the debate, so here it is!
Sunday, August 08, 2010
Saturday, August 07, 2010
Friday, August 06, 2010
The Court of Indictment met today for an hour to decide on the legality of the raids on the Belgian Church. Their judgement will be delivered on 13th August.
Seperately, it has become clear that the former Bishop of Bruges paid large sums to the family of his known victim- it seems it had the effect of buying their silence.
Thursday, August 05, 2010
I will start with some pictures of Saint Paul's Basilica in Toronto, Canada. This present church was built in 1888, replacing an older church which was destroyed by a fire in 1886. The present Saint Paul's is built in the Italian Renaissance style by Joseph Connolly, a prominent architect in late 19th century Canada.
Some pictures of the interior.
Wednesday, August 04, 2010
Or Anglo-Catholic if you are this "high"?
Not to be confused with St Turibius, Benedictine Bishop of Palencia, Founder of the Monastery of Liebana. died 528.
Tuesday, August 03, 2010
Monday, August 02, 2010
They turned paradise into a modernist prison.
Send to all your friends!
Am an advisor to this splendid group who are a bright beacon of hope in European politics.
Dr Alveda King came to Brussels recently to speak to the European Parliamentary Group on Human Dignity and then went to London for the launch of a similar group in the British Houses of Parliament.
Sunday, August 01, 2010
The saying "An anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary" originates not in England but from Joseph Eötvösz, a Hungarian nobleman in 1920.
Most recently repeated as a joke by the pro-Palestinian Jewish conductor, Daniel Barenboim in an FT interview in 2009.
I am English and never heard the phrase.