Dialogues ' Up front and without fear 'from Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos and Cesar Mauricio Velasquez
Castrillón talked by telephone from Rome (Italy) about the launch today at the El Chico Museum in Bogota, the book 'Up front and without fear - Dialogues with Cardinal Dario Castrillon,' authored by the journalist Cesar Mauricio Velasquez.
The text discusses topics such as politics, poverty and terrorism in light of the Catholic faith and the revelations made to offer Hussein, former Iraqi dictator asylum in Thailand.
The controversy with the bishop
Bishop Castrillón was in charge of talks with the four excommunicated SSPX bishops and his work was criticized for allowing Williamson’s return to the Church without first retracting his words.
The event, in which the Colombian Cardinal was involved generated global outrage at the beginning of February, because the Jewish community refused to accept the papal pardon given to someone who denied the existence of gas chambers during the Nazi regime in Germany.
What was your role in the mediation with SSPX members from whom the excommunications were lifted?
Monsignor Dario Castrillon: I held the talks but that does not mean it was me who was just talking with (Bernard) Fellay (head of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X). I always had around me the whole group which the Holy See needs for each step. When we spoke of excommunication was not a dialogue of Castrillón with Fellay ..., no, no, no. I will not negotiate with anyone. It was the Commission of Cardinals, including Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI), because the discussions started when he was not Pope. There was not a single act which was not made as a body.
How did you hear the words of Williamson in denying the Holocaust?
When there was a big reaction from the Jewish world and bishops of the most sensitive areas (Germany, Switzerland and Austria), we heard officially. On February 5, the communication was in our hands. But the SSPX bishops were not excommunicated for reasons of doctrine, but because they had been ordained without permission.
Was there a 'pulled ear' when the Pope's spokesman, Federico Lombardi, said that you had to know what Williamson had said?
He did not say exactly that and if he said somethinglike , it was absurd and stupid, because it was not considering the records of these bishops. The one thing necessary to know is that they were ordained by (Marcel) Lefebvre without permission.
To lift the excommunication was it not necessary that Williamson retracts?
Nobody was going to ask for a retraction because the Holy Father did not know what he had said.
If you had known, would you have requested their withdrawal before lifting the excommunication?
I think not, because it is a historical problem is not moral. In prudence, the Holy Father could have said to wait a moment. I think there was negligence by the spokesman of the Holy See in the statement he gave to 'La Croix', because it does not have to enter judgments about people saying that a cardinal has to know something that he does not need to know. If someone had to know this, it is the cardinal who is responsible for the lives of the bishops, Cardinal Re
Is he aware of what the spokesman said?
Frankly I was not interested. He wrote me a letter of apology. We have been very good friends.
The search for asylum for Saddam Hussein
How is it that the Pope mediated to find asylum for Hussein?